Name: Kelvin Cochran Interview
Channel: Kelvin Cochran
Description: All right. We're here with Kelvin Cochran. He's a fire chief who rose to national prominence only to lose his job as fire chief in Atlanta, which tells us that you understand suffering. You talk to us a lot about suffering. My question is, suffering can either serve as a launch pad or a tombstone, either one. Yeah. What makes the difference? Well, you know, the tombstone

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